Both nice guns, the Pico is the clear winner. Are you kidding me? The small NAA revolvers make a good back up weapon, I own three of the little guns. I fire a couple of magazines a month thru them so as not to get too rusty . Generally the heavier it is the less recoil. But people usually get .380 to conceal them. If you just care about recoil the Berretta cheeta is a go Wonder if SCCY will give you a deal on a trade in for that one ? Of all the firearm purchases you may make in your lifetime, a pocket gun is probably the one you can least afford to screw up. In regards to the Cobra a lot of people dissing the gun are those who fire hollowpoints through it. To each his own . The problem with the group wisdom line of thinking is that you cannot separate the people with actual hands on experience with the firearm in question from actual users, which is always a problem with new guns. It is not a pleasant gun to shoot, but a helluva lot worse on the receiving end. The price is right, but the performance and ratings just arent. lol Damon really? Or has been suggested earlier you can just go snub nosed revolver. A 380 is about as wide as a 9mm. However it is about 1/2 as powerful, 1/2 the weight and velocity. For a very long time 9mm was considered the rock I have to disagree about the SCCY CPX-2. Did it require a break in, a fluff & buff, a whole plethora of different ammo to get my approval? The thing stinks. The number of ratings is what sold his other books. And buying likes is one definite way to abuse it. Ruger LCP II .380 ($349) Stainless STEEL barrel, CHASSIS, best sights made on a pocket gun, Magazines that look like Custume 1911, all stainless steel with even a Steel follower. Yeah, apparently without the server capacity to handle the resulting load increase, too. Remember, these are life-or-death guns, not gopher guns or race guns. Zero malfunctions in 300 rounds including pocket lint coverings. My God, have you really shot or even handled one? Springfield operator: 5.2 One thing that was not improved over the original LCP, however, is the sights. Guess what? Their customer service is great and my pistol has run 100% since I bought it with multiples of hundreds of rounds through it. Far too many people have shot themselves or objects in their house loading a NAA revolver because they didnt pay attention to safety instructions. It therefore must perform when called upon. This gun is budget-friendly and chambered substantially (9mm). Painful to shoot, yes, but thats what you get when the gun barely weighs more than the bullet it fires. They sent me a replacement gun that wouldnt chamber the 1st round. Ive put plenty of rounds through my p3at and its reliable. Thats along what I was thinking. 4) Beretta Pico(4.1 stars 0.3, 134 votes), Color me shockedto see the Pico down here with the bottom feeders because Beretta is a major manufacturer that produces lots of quality firearms. Wrong about sccy. You do not get a small light pistol without trade offs. Therefore, if you want the slide to lock back, you need to use the magazines that were made specifically for the LCP II. In +P it hurt my hand, so I went to regular 38 spcl. Its pretty clear why. Recoil was worse on the 380 than the 9. I own some pretty toys and more expensive carry guns but for everyday carry i choose between my CPX 2 and S&W 442 and feel just as confident with either. I dont expect any pocket gun to be pleasant to shoot, but I ditched my Hellcat after experiencing multiple failures to eject two types of ammo. I was glad not to see Kel Tac on the bottom list. Wecantdislike shooting it so much that well never practice with it. In the case of the SCCY they are worth it. I bought it after reading the review on TTAG. But unlike those highly rated guns, the Hellcat IIs rating is in the toilet. You fire as soon as you pull and have aimed. Caveat: I bought mine used, so I dont know if the previous owner had done any tweaking to get it that reliable or not, or whether a factory-fresh one would need any sort of break-in period. Or did all those voters fly to Russia to test them out? I was thinking the same thing as I read this article. Every gun has its limitations and knowledge goes a long way to ensure a positive outcome when it happens. Which is good compared to many overpriced semi auto pistols which are not as dependable. I think it would have to be the 2mm Kolibri. Its the worlds smallest handgun, and develops just 4 joules of muzzle energy. Its not a joke weapon The SCCY model CPX-2 is a fine lightweight pistol that shoots a stopper round 9mm. Unfortunately, each of these pistols and others in their class suffer from a number of serious flaws. After using a proper fitting mag, very few jams, maybe 2 or 3 per 100 rounds. Mostly new firearm buyers that buy into all the advertising and ridiculous internet junk. The LCP isnt that bad. Super long heavy pull, which is understandable on a DA only no safety gun. I was also surprised to find the CM40 rated so poorly. The serrations on the LCP are also wider in order to get a better grip in slippery conditions when racking the slide. Its on the edge of what Id consider using for self-defense, but Id recommend trying to move up to 9mm if possible. But if ultimate concealment is the need, then just accept that it will need to be .380. Maybe so few were sold they didnt make the list. Note to self, Get to the range! Sure just The Pico is a great gun. The Ring of Fire guns are small, super Do it outside with the gun pointing at the ground and mind your hand positions. I would bet my life on this smallish, nice looking pistol. I will say they like Ruger and a few other vendors copied Kel-Tec once again as this thing look like a P11. Hi points work if you use FMJ and clean and oil the gun. None. Regardless of your take on user ratings, I think you can safely ignore the bottom six guns and not worry about missing out on much. Otherwise you will just get a ton of, Wait, that gun is not a GLOCK! It pains me to include the DB380 on this list because I bought one acouple years ago. Really disappointed in how this was presented. Empties wouldnt just fail to clear the slide; theyd never leave the chamber. The Pico is one of the best firearms in its class out there period. How many times do you change magazines in a self defense situation? However, they are among the worst guns for concealed carry. I had issues with mine to start. The Picos have a huge fan base. the Truth about Guns is one of the most biased groups around. Im in the habit of buying less costly weapons and fully expect to tinker a bit with them to produce a smooth running hot brass pile maker. OMG! I have two of the Picos. You did NOT mention that the Pico has RE-STRIKE CAPAPIBILITY. Im guessing a .40 S&W round is just too unpleasant to shoot in this uber lightweight polymer-framed pocket gun. Pick up a Taurus 738 tcp and it is super snappy vs the cw380. The double 1911 also has ratings. Considering the price point of the SCCY, its fit, finish and functionality is excellent. I have 100s of rounds through both my kahrs with zero fails. How is it possibly at the top of the list? You have entered an incorrect email address! Since I dont know whether or not your going to use it for EDC, I will recommend one full size and one small one which i think are the 2 best IMO. At first glance, Japans first semi-automatic pistol design resembles the iconic Except for a derringer but that is because the prior owner dry fired it which you are to never do. The trigger is fantastic, and reassuring in handling and holstering (leather IWB) in ways that Glock is not. CPX 2. How many times are there accidental discharges from soft triggers? BTW except for the cobra all these little guns got good reviews at various timesFWIW. Great little pistol. Well, youre in luck, because your fellow Americans have voted, and for some pocket guns, the results arent pretty . either love or hate. S&W Bodyguard .380 7. If you actually carry a gun in your pocket, even in a pocket holster, its gonna get dirty. We both agreed, the TCP trigger was superior to the LCP. I appreciate the review. AND, NAA has first class warranty service. Actually the Hellcat felt better in the hand and was more accurate for me with a better sight than other micro pistols. So far wevecollected roughly 34,000 votes with an average rating of 6.1 overall. It is almost a virtual impossibility to drop the mag without having to literally stop everything your doing and have to yank the thing down using 2 hands. After we shot a bit we could ring that gong regularly. Thousands of flawless rounds and handles Hot ammo better than most guns handle standard ammo. These flaws include, but are not limited to: .380 pocket pistols have a well-deserved reputation for having some of the worst trigger pulls of any semi-automatic pistols on the market. Its not a range gun, and should not be treated as such. NOPE! It had some issues ejecting, but a trip to the factory corrected the issues. Its that bad. The one I had was utter shit. On that note, you KNOW were kind of spoiled with all the great pocket guns available today. That thing is a freaking beast of a gun in terms of durability (yes, I have seen torture tests of it). My old PPK/s doesnt like Blazer alum. The reason I hated it was they are DAO and the trigger pull was a mile long, i found my self pulling the trigger again before it reset. I know I hated my PF9 and would NEVER EVER buy any Keltec pistol again. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Great gun otherwise. And BTW, the gunsgunsguns link doesnt work. But hey, thanks for calling regulars to this site a-holes. Worked fine til the last shot on the second reload. Very small would suggest either real fanboys or real haters. they gladly took it back and said the Cobra .380 was selling like hotcakes. Its fun to shoot really, PS: visited the site again, feeling slightly guilty for harping on the polling validity-. No aluminum. More than ever, the PPK is a statement of sophistication. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-right.jpg If you spend any amount of time online, youve seen product rating systems on Amazon, Netflix, Yelp, etc., usually in the form of star ratings. Booth #72617 Cabot Guns http://www.waltherarms.com/handguns/ppk/ Their guns get copied because George Kelgren never copyrighted the designs. Anyone have the Bersa .380. Keep the .4 calibers to compact, mid, or full-size. SuccySuckeySuckySucySukyNope. I have thousands of rounds through the Picos and trust me, they hold up like the tank they are. Most often the issue is people dry firing, or using hollowpoints. For 2022, the Roughneck will be available in a recoil-friendly .380 ACP. Thus it works as a safety (just like a S&W revolver). http://virtualchick.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/unicorn.jpg. The trigger seem to be the trouble people have with it. Great sights, ability to change out to night sights and on and on. And of course not break down like they do with high volume shooting. One of the finest pocket guns out there. How is the pot metal Cobra #2? I have several pocket pistols, Just had my XDS 45 fail on me (Light primer strikes) and have another XDS in 9MM, I have a S&W Sigma 380, that works but is less pleasing than my two Ruger LCPs, Kahr, CW380, or my Colt Mustang XSP. (Including the book he wrote about how to cheat Amazon buyers by faking reviews.). This is what I really hate about stories like the one posted. Or the Springfield EMP (Though mine runs awesome, they are known for manufacturing problems). It jammed after the first shot, but he hit the intruder in the chest. Both shoot about the same as far as low recoil. The LCP II also features forward and rear serrations on the slide, whereas the original LCP only featured serrations on the rear. You got to be a rookie. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. He does not know how to use it. It shot pretty well overall, but the trigger sucked. It smacks you hand, mostly due to the 2 finger grip. There is an author named John Lott, who became a best seller from an unknown very quickly by doing exactly that. Just my two. Bounce is not horrible but that along with size will take some of the enjoyment out of the session. I had huge issues with a Kahr, so they will never get my money again. I think by nature all auto pocket pistols suck. (1) Astroturfing happens, both ways. To start with they sat on it for 2 whole years teasing a release and it just kept getting pushed back further and further. 6) IO Hellcat II (2.9 stars 0.6, 32 votes). I assume the reason the CM40 sucks is similar. I normally enjoy Truth about guns. Thats whats currently on my hip and I love it. He didnt even require them to be positive. Ruger LCR in 38 spcl +P. TCP and P3AT triggers were clearly worlds better than it. Pointing a gun will not stop a thug. And I dont know why Keltec lets Ruger & SCCY(and the defunct hellcat) slavishly copy their designs. I still have the same problem. One now has over 4,000 rounds of flawless ammo down range the other now over 1500 and have never broken a firing pin. Do they now have 12 round mags? As far as the magazine release, its perfect for my needs. I bought one of the .380 Seecamps when they first came out. What a joke. My other gun is a Beretta PX4. Learn to shoot pocket guns and find the truth yourself and stop listening to counter Clerks at big Box stores. . My hands are simply too large for the tiny Ruger. I have SCCY CPX2 Best gun ever Just keep it clean 400 rounds down range 400 rounds on target Ill bet my life on my cpx2. You get two shots, a single-action-only Com-block mack chambered pistols, walthers, and the like just have better reliability w/ less break in. It is designed as a personal defense arm not a target pistol or a plunker. The cobra looks very similar to a firearm my mother owns. Ruger markets the trigger as having a six pound pull. I got a Glock26, and have been happy ever since! Its teeny, accurate, and easy to handle. (2) You have no idea who the reviewers are and what their qualifications to rate a firearm areeven if they tell you. There are many more maligned pocket guns and sub-compacts on the market than these two. And a PPK has the solid feel of pure quality. Modular design, one of the easiest take downs in the history of guns, fantastic sights, easy to put on night sights without going to a Gun Smith. Yea James, if you look the SCCY gets like 4.3 stars the best out of this bunch and has the one of the higest vote stats and whats the comment from the author oh this gun stinks based on what? The trigger pull on the LCP II most closely resembles the trigger on larger striker fired polymer pistols such as the Glock. Yep and they give AKs a bad name with how terrible theirs are. ! Silver tip p+ for carry, or whatever local law enforcement carries. I am a Pocket gun enthusiast. The Pico is one of the most mild shooting pocket guns you will ever shoot. This article was total BS. The CW380 sucks. Obvious, one writers bias, trying to get internet rookies to bash guns most have never shot nor even understand. We saw your review and write up. There is a reason why this is Berettas top Pocket gun. Bought it brand new. Mine works, has worked, continues to work, and has never not gone bang. No problems what so ever. Fed, fired and ejected all the ammo I put in it. The mag will spring out when done correctly. And I didnt enjoy shooting my G27 until I got the extended base plates with additional capacity. Everyones hand size and perception of recoil is different and therein lies the beauty of having choice. WebSmith & Wesson Model 500 is a five-shot, single action/double-action large caliber revolver produced by Smith & Wesson, firing the .500 S&W Magnum cartridge, a .50 caliber bullet. WebThe Roughneck series of derringers are similar in appearance to the well-known Bond Arms Backup models, but are more affordable. Arguably one of the best and most popular pocket pistols, the pf9, was not on the spreadsheet. It is about 99% reliable, however, which is good enough to carry. So special, they ride the short bus. But this article should be called Articles to avoid like the Plague. :p. People generally avoid spam masquerading as journalism. Its tight, even well after break-in. Whatever-everything else pops inand their FB page is odd too. Wouldnt take much time for an employee or contractor of one of these manufacturers to buff up the ratings, or down rate a competitor. Anyway, all just my opinion here. Get real. Bottom line: you can do much better. I think the SCCY might be marginally better and has 2 mags. Too many women wind up dropping the gun which the thug grabs and then uses on the woman. I actually have the cm9 and cw380 both and never an issue with either one. Look at the back of the slide. I totally agree. Um the SCCY is a near exact copy of the nearby(Cocoa,Fl) Keltec P-11. By the way, break down the Kahr and compare it to the Pico. I cant count on my DB380 to run consistently, so I had to give it a low rating. You sound smart. Does this guy have any gun expertise? Votes on the best or worst of anything are all based on personal experience or having an ax to grind. While larger .380 pistols such as the Walther PPK/S, Walther PK380, Bersa Thunder 380, and Glock 42 dont have this problem, the truly small pocket pistols such as the LCP and TCP most certainly do. Lets find out by comparing it to the original LCP. Texas Teens Getting Carry Licenses! Their Reviewers have alot of feed issues due to lack of knowledge of proper grip. She has had limp wrist cycling problems with other semi-auto pistols in the past. Was definitely surprised that certain other brands didnt make the list. Given all that, wouldnt it be nice to know which pocket guns you can rule out right off the bat? Got the Hellcat thrown in when I bought another gun. Im glad it ended well, but if he hadnt scored a first round hit he would have been screwed for real. You can buy 1911s now. Theres room for disagreement, but probably only because some peoples pockets are bigger and can hold bigger guns. Baby glocks seem like an attractive option as at least they have a somewhat normal trigger w/ a normal length of pull. The Type 94 Shiki Kenju. Did you ever lubricate the gun, or did you just load it and shoot it? It is not made for quick magazine changes. They claimed to have test fired it after repair. I really think you never did anything with the Pico other than Picking one up and then getting of the internet and posting without any knowledge of how to use the firearm. If you have to rely on Counter Clerks for advice on firearms tells me quite a bit. Given how clannish and brand-loyal a lot of gunners are, it wouldnt shock me if about half the votes against the SCCY were cast because it wasnt a Glock 43, or something equally biased and stupid. The first generation CPX-1s had some problems and gave the company a bad rep starting out, but the company was so adamant that they fixed their second Gen guns that you can send any of the old ones back (they shipped in red boxes) and they will replace them with brand new Gen 2s (which ship in blackish gray boxes). And surely have not shot one or very little. Avoid Straight Blowback pistols These have a barrel permanently affixed to the frame versus the Delayed Blowback pistols, who have a barrel th I give them a failing grade because neither gun reliably goes bang each time you pull the trigger on factory ammo. Like others, I am a bit surprised by the poor showing of the Beretta. The only guns to get near a 100 votes are the Beretta and the SCCY. SIG P238 Why Use a .380 Pistol? Ruger has proven that you dont need to have an arduous and gritty trigger pull on a .380 auto and its likely that more manufacturers will now follow their lead. Ruger sells the LCP II with a neoprene pocket holster (which has the Ruger logo on it), and it actually works quite well. They are well known for their % of guns that have failure rates compared to the ones that dont. But again, the people have spoken: the Pico sucks. It is also the only 10 shot 9mm you can find that is truly small enough to pocket carry. While the LCP II is still a small pocket pistol, Ruger made a number of improvements to it. You need to learn more about handguns before posting such nonsense. ONE STAR FOR YOU! kind of reviews. And with gloves on, even the skin tight shooting gloves, it was impossible to get the trigger to reset without removing my finger from the trigger guard completely, or using my support hand to manually push it forward far enough to reset. This gun is selling better than ever years later. Here is some news for you. Her gun was unloaded while the thugs were not. After each guns name, youll see its average user rating, that ratings margin of error and the number of votes: 1) Diamondback Firearms DB380 (4.3 stars 1.0, 25 votes). Cant say LCP is much better than any of these above, but it has been reliable. Why people follow them is a mystery. The CM40 being smaller and lighter might exhibit a little more, but its not unmanageable. These are last resort concealment guns with a lot of punch in a small package. The stats of the survey may need to be expanded on as well but for the most part would not own any of the others either, just my opinion. Funny the SCCY was rated on 2 other surveys as one of the top 5 affordable and reliable pocket guns. I also have the Kahr. I dont know the story behind why but we can only guess. I own expensive pistols and revolvers, as well as a SCCY CPX-2. I have no Idea how this writer came up with this Bottom Feeder nonsense. Stovepiped and double fed left and right, and Kel-Tec didnt want to lift a finger without me footing the bill for shipping. I do feel though that its a little too light for a 9mm caliber . And with 38 other semi-auto pocketguns to choose from, why risk it? Voted by handgun magazine as a top pistol and great manufacturer. I trust my Hellcat 380 as much as I do my S & W 39, but I prefer a tight revolver over any semi-auto when my life depends on it. Totally agree. Thank-you. The Beretta Tomcat, though only .32, much fatter, and blowback, is a far, far superior gun. check the ammo?? Im pretty surprised the P3AT isnt on this list. So they added in where if you downvote something you must list at least one reason why. I find that many pistols jam because of a defective magazine thats not feeding properly. The Beretta APX has a 4.4 rating from 22 votes It sucks so hard that its suckage transcends space and time. I have literally spoken to no one that has said anything positive about the Pico. Who knew a firearm could actually be worse? The S&W MP EZ 380 read the reviews even on the Glock site they praise the SW MP 380 EZ Stainless Steel receiver, chassis, guide rod, built like a tank. 400 hundred rounds of various FMJ and hollow points without a single failure. I think Jimenez and Lorcen companies went bankrupt. Im about to order some more. I like its feel in my hand. Seriously?). Id have to disagree with the cpx2s place on the list even though the company had growing pains. Its not Remington R51 bad, but its a pretty lousy firearm. Note that I said voted and not have ever even touched the gun at a pawn shop, let alone fired it.. Bersa Thunder 5. Did they succeed? Getting the trigger on the safety notch is something you should never goof around with. Also cobra has a lifetime warranty on their guns if you do the warranty. So I returned it to them, they replaced several worn parts and returned it. You do not have one clue about what you are talking about. We even joked that we needed to start a Pocket Gun Palma match. Personally, I only go by in person reviews, in this internet age, from people proven trustworthy. Ruger listened to the criticism, which resulted in the birth of the LCP II. No it is not a light striker fired trigger. It is accurate, easy to shoot, recoil is manageable. My advice. Man this Truth about guns article really burns me up. I agree, the P3AT is my go to light carry gun. Only time I tried one I did not like it. Far better than any of the others gun you talk about on this rag of a story. Web.380 Automatic Colt Pistol (ACP) was one of the many calibers created by legendary firearms designer John Browning, dating back to 1908. That would be TTAG, and a handful of others. My son made sure I carried a SW9VE for daily use. Unfortunately, my DB380 experience has mirrored that ofmany of our peers. CM40 is my summe4 carry. In 2017, SIG Sauer produced a unicorn of a pistol in the P365. Do not yank the magazine friends. Years ago a mentor and I were at a range with an iron 30 plate/gong at 270 yards. I found that many mags for the Hellcat where not cut properly with too much play at the catch. And I have not shot one better then these in the same weight and AOL class. The sccy is a great budget pistol. Also LCP. Or the Kahr in there? Not sure why the Sccy is on this list, I own a cpx2 and its great! Basically I hate these guns because I hate these guns, and you should too because I do. This is the closest I have ever been to accusing TTAG of pandering to the highest advertising contributors (i. e. not a SINGLE Taurus gun on here? The Pico will eat any ammo I have fed it, and has proven flawless with thousands of rounds down range. Its definitely not perfect but it is far from the worst gun Ive owned. 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